[ol'_dirty2]

Real football fans know that the only stat of note is the number of W's vs the number of L's. If I hear one more hackjob throw stats out there like they mean something, I'll puke. Watch the games people...leave ESPN alone.

[SiViK_OuTkAsT™]

They are also misleading enough to make it look as though Joey had a better game than DJ, even with a half yard rushing TD Joey didn't have a better game.

[Norwood'sblur]

SiViK_OuTkAsT, on Aug 10 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

They are also misleading enough to make it look as though Joey had a better game than DJ, even with a half yard rushing TD Joey didn't have a better game.

thank you once again sivik for helping these clowns understand..they really need to learn the game it really baffles me sometimes, and other times i just stop caring about them....

[Robb4242]

It's the YKW argument. We can't go by passing stats, unless they were favorable for YKW.

But since it's all about the W's & L's, then DJ was still 3rd best QB since with 0 scoring drives, it's rather hard to get a W.

[NorCal Falcon Fan]

ol, on Aug 10 2008, 11:45 AM, said:

Real football fans know that the only stat of note is the number of W's vs the number of L's. If I hear one more hackjob throw stats out there like they mean something, I'll puke. Watch the games people...leave ESPN alone.

Start pukin'. :lol: Stats are used by the coaching staff to grade the performance of the player, the unit, and the team to make corrections to the plays they design in their scheme.
Stats are also used by the talking heads to grade team performance so they can develop their spread for upcoming games.
The former is of great use to the coaches and trainers, the latter is for gamblers and fantasy fools. But, I agree the the only thing that truly matters are the wins and losses. B)

[joremari]

if it's all about Ws and Ls how in the world did DJ have a better game last night?

[Norwood'sblur]

joremari, on Aug 10 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

if it's all about Ws and Ls how in the world did DJ have a better game last night?

no one person wins or looses a preseason game....nobody cares about the outcome or we would have played ryan the entire game...the GOAL of a preseason game is to judge talent....and if you want someone to pin it on chandler williams should have caught that lob by shock..it was absolutely BEAUTIFFULLY thrown...that goes in as an incompletion, but sticks in coaches minds as a great throw by a very talented qb

[falcons faithful]

NorCal Falcon Fan, on Aug 10 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

Start pukin'. :lol: Stats are used by the coaching staff to grade the performance of the player, the unit, and the team to make corrections to the plays they design in their scheme.
Stats are also used by the talking heads to grade team performance so they can develop their spread for upcoming games.
The former is of great use to the coaches and trainers, the latter is for gamblers and fantasy fools. But, I agree the the only thing that truly matters are the wins and losses. B)

Start Pukin that's to funny. You know how that the cocaching staff will use stats to grade a player. If that were true why would the film the game and then watch it HUMMM let me guess because the were so busy coaching they miss it and just want to see what happen NOT They use tape to grade players not stats. But just keep beleving that they use stats we don't want to mess up your little world

[me4falcons]

Robb4242, on Aug 10 2008, 02:52 PM, said:

It's the YKW argument. We can't go by passing stats, unless they were favorable for YKW.

But since it's all about the W's & L's, then DJ was still 3rd best QB since with 0 scoring drives, it's rather hard to get a W.

Let's not be irrational okay and there is no need to DOWN DJ to pump up Ryan.

[jidady]

SiViK_OuTkAsT, on Aug 10 2008, 07:49 PM, said:

They are also misleading enough to make it look as though Joey had a better game than DJ, even with a half yard rushing TD Joey didn't have a better game.

After watching the game, I was genuinely surprised when I came here and read the vitriol being thrown at DJ. He carried a team of scrubs on his back on the final drive yet to hear some people here talk, he isn't fit to hold a clipboard. It's just...odd.

[Goat]

jidady, on Aug 10 2008, 01:38 PM, said:

After watching the game, I was genuinely surprised when I came here and read the vitriol being thrown at DJ. He carried a team of scrubs on his back on the final drive yet to hear some people here talk, he isn't fit to hold a clipboard. It's just...odd.

Didn't the final drive begin on the Jags 40?

[Statz.]

It sounds like u want to rumble. I have a stat for you. 93% who go against face a horrible ending. The other 7% wish for death. :o

[B^rooklyn Skull]

The "YKW" crap has to stop. Who was the idiot who made that up anyway ?


And yes stats arent everything...but it does represent what the player did on the field.

[me4falcons]

Joey would have been 4 for 7 17 yards if snelling had not taken a 1 yard pass 47 yard to the 1 yard line. The JAGS defense was called for offsides which put the ball at the 1/2 yard line. He almost did not make for the score. ( watch tape and you will know what I am talking about. )

The QBs get the credit but, it is really about the othe teammates make plays for him. For example Roddy's twisting catch for a TD. If shockley had some players make play or to for him. We would not even be having this talk. Also what if Jenkins using his 6'4 frame to jump and make a play on the ball redman may looked better.

[jidady]

BillyWitchDoctor, on Aug 10 2008, 08:40 PM, said:

Didn't the final drive begin on the Jags 40?

No, but I was blending the final two drives together. Joey came in with 6 minutes left and promptly hit Weems on the rollout pass. That drive started on our 25 yard line. He had us down to their 33 in two plays. Then, we had a failed running play, the play action scramble where he did his Inmate #7 impersonation, the false start and the pass that hit Weems in the hands.

We missed the field goal then got the ball back with 3:14 left and us at our 20 (not their 40). Brown and Snelling had matching 10 yard runs, then Shockley completed the seven yard out to Weems that was nullified by the offsides penalty. On 1st and 5, Shockley hit Zinger in the hands and he whiffed badly. On 2nd and five, Shockey avoided a sack on a blitz with a quick release out of the shotun that fell harmlessly incomplete. On 3rd and five, he hit Jennings for 10 yards.

Then, we had a false start on #65. On 1st and 15, Shockley avoided a sack with a scramble and should have run with the ball. Instead, he threw off balance downfield, a poor decision that was easily deflected away by a defender. That was one of his two bad plays in the game. On 2nd and 15, he threw a beautiful pass to Chandler Williams. "That was the best throw of the night, I think, by any quarterback," was the call on that one, and I agree. That 27 yard play put us down to the 21 yard line and in position to tie/win the game.

On 1st and 10, our protection failed completely, but Shockley scrambled away to semiavoid the sack. He didn't have time to throw the ball away, as I would preferred and wound up losing a yard on the play, which I think did go down as a sack. Since he was the shotgun, he saved us five yards with his awareness, though. On 2nd and 11, he made the play that should have won the game with 43 seconds left. He threw to Chandler Williams and "dropped that ball right out of the sky. I don't know if you can throw the ball any better than that." Williams could not make the catch. On 3rd and 11 with 40 seconds left, Shockley had his jersey grabbed right before he threw and may have held on to the ball a bit too long in waiting for a receiver to come open. He released it right after 3 Mississippi. We would like to have better protection than that, but he needs to adapt better when we don't.

On 4th and 11, Shockley should have been sacked to end the game. He somehow avoided a certain tackle and scrambled all the way down to the 6 yard line.On 1st and goal, he threw a ball Weems should have caught at the 1 yard line. On 2nd and goal, there was a jail break by the Jags front seven, so Shockley threw the ball into the stands (sidenote: I still hate Byron Leftwich) to avoid the sack. On 3rd and goal, he made the huge mistake of trying to throw the ball as #51 (or #57?) was grabbing him. "It was a great effort, a great effort by Shockley to get the team down there," was the comment from the announcer after this interception.

And he apparently played terribly the entire time he was doing this, which...surprises me. These are the plays I saw that involved DJ Shockley. I cordially invited people who actually watched the game and want to talk about Falcons football in a fair-handed manner to discuss them with me.

Those of you who are firmly ensconced in the "Shockley RULEZ!" and "Shockley SUCKZ!" camps, on the other hand, can go back to your regularly scheduling ranting.

[BlacksburgHokie]

Stats don't tell the whole story, but they are still important. For example, YPA and completion percentage can be very important tools in evaluating QB's, YAC is an important stat for posession recievers, YPC for RB's, etc...

[me4falcons]

jidady, on Aug 10 2008, 04:17 PM, said:

No, but I was blending the final two drives together. Joey came in with 6 minutes left and promptly hit Weems on the rollout pass. That drive started on our 25 yard line. He had us down to their 33 in two plays. Then, we had a failed running play, the play action scramble where he did his Inmate #7 impersonation, the false start and the pass that hit Weems in the hands.

We missed the field goal then got the ball back with 3:14 left and us at our 20 (not their 40). Brown and Snelling had matching 10 yard runs, then Shockley completed the seven yard out to Weems that was nullified by the offsides penalty. On 1st and 5, Shockley hit Zinger in the hands and he whiffed badly. On 2nd and five, Shockey avoided a sack on a blitz with a quick release out of the shotun that fell harmlessly incomplete. On 3rd and five, he hit Jennings for 10 yards.

Then, we had a false start on #65. On 1st and 15, Shockley avoided a sack with a scramble and should have run with the ball. Instead, he threw off balance downfield, a poor decision that was easily deflected away by a defender. That was one of his two bad plays in the game. On 2nd and 15, he threw a beautiful pass to Chandler Williams. "That was the best throw of the night, I think, by any quarterback," was the call on that one, and I agree. That 27 yard play put us down to the 21 yard line and in position to tie/win the game.

On 1st and 10, our protection failed completely, but Shockley scrambled away to semiavoid the sack. He didn't have time to throw the ball away, as I would preferred and wound up losing a yard on the play, which I think did go down as a sack. Since he was the shotgun, he saved us five yards with his awareness, though. On 2nd and 11, he made the play that should have won the game with 43 seconds left. He threw to Chandler Williams and "dropped that ball right out of the sky. I don't know if you can throw the ball any better than that." Williams could not make the catch. On 3rd and 11 with 40 seconds left, Shockley had his jersey grabbed right before he threw and may have held on to the ball a bit too long in waiting for a receiver to come open. He released it right after 3 Mississippi. We would like to have better protection than that, but he needs to adapt better when we don't.

On 4th and 11, Shockley should have been sacked to end the game. He somehow avoided a certain tackle and scrambled all the way down to the 6 yard line.On 1st and goal, he threw a ball Weems should have caught at the 1 yard line. On 2nd and goal, there was a jail break by the Jags front seven, so Shockley threw the ball into the stands (sidenote: I still hate Byron Leftwich) to avoid the sack. On 3rd and goal, he made the huge mistake of trying to throw the ball as #51 (or #57?) was grabbing him. "It was a great effort, a great effort by Shockley to get the team down there," was the comment from the announcer after this interception.

And he apparently played terribly the entire time he was doing this, which...surprises me. These are the plays I saw that involved DJ Shockley. I cordially invited people who actually watched the game and want to talk about Falcons football in a fair-handed manner to discuss them with me.

Those of you who are firmly ensconced in the "Shockley RULEZ!" and "Shockley SUCKZ!" camps, on the other hand, can go back to your regularly scheduling ranting.

That's the way I saw it.

[wordtobigbird]

stats have always and will always matter.

10-14 132 yards and 2 TDs is better than 4-14 38 yards and 1 INT any day in any game.

[swanlee]

It's funny all this arguing over a 3rd string QB that hopefully will NEVER play a down for us in an actual game. Let me tell you if DJ is ever playing in a game that is not a blow out in the 4th QTR we are totally screwed.

We should hope he NEVER EVER plays a down for the Falcons in the regular season.

[Petrino is NOT my hero]

ol, on Aug 10 2008, 02:45 PM, said:

Real football fans know that the only stat of note is the number of W's vs the number of L's. If I hear one more hackjob throw stats out there like they mean something, I'll puke. Watch the games people...leave ESPN alone.

No the correct statement would be "Those who ignore stats all together are the idiots who care more about a favorite player playing then the best player at the position playing... "

ah.. i love adding to our discussions on here about our BACKUP Quarterbacks... what a joke