[JDaveG]

ransack, on Dec 17 2008, 02:19 PM, said:

Palin failed because she wasn't ready for the spotlight. There's really no other reason.

Exactly right.

I note that unlike most of her detractors here, who have clear political motivations, the article rightly criticized her readiness and preparedness, not her character, honesty or status as some sort of role model for women. Telling, that.

[XLDenali]

i think she was woefully unprepared and unqualified, and was brought in as a gimmick.

and personally, i found the accent and the whole "gee golly i'm a hockey mom from small-town america with wholesome values" persona really annoying. i understand that appeals to some, just wasn't doing it for me.

[pencilpusher loves you]

jdu00743, on Dec 17 2008, 11:32 AM, said:

I would have never guessed!

Seriously, list what makes her laudable to you. What did she stand for?

[JDaveG]

XLDenali, on Dec 17 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

i think she was woefully unprepared and unqualified, and was brought in as a gimmick.

and personally, i found the accent and the whole "gee golly i'm a hockey mom from small-town america with wholesome values" persona really annoying. i understand that appeals to some, just wasn't doing it for me.

I don't know about a gimmick -- if she'd been prepared, it WOULD have been a home run.

****, before she revealed herself as unprepared, as the article rightly points out, she WAS a home run.

She could be a force in the future, if she hasn't ruined her stock already (which is a very real possibility).

[XLDenali]

JDaveG, on Dec 17 2008, 07:31 PM, said:

Exactly right.

I note that unlike most of her detractors here, who have clear political motivations, the article rightly criticized her readiness and preparedness, not her character, honesty or status as some sort of role model for women. Telling, that.

well i think her honesty should be questioned when she presents herself as some GOP-reforming, no-pork, she-maverick and has an established record of seeking huge amounts of federal $ and pork projects, and her platform was essentially the same old evangelical-pandering policies.

[pencilpusher loves you]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/people_who_mattered/runner_palin.jpg
Is that some type of puppeteering device coming out of her head? Or her telescope to keep an eye on Russia? :P

[XLDenali]

JDaveG, on Dec 17 2008, 07:42 PM, said:

I don't know about a gimmick -- if she'd been prepared, it WOULD have been a home run.

****, before she revealed herself as unprepared, as the article rightly points out, she WAS a home run.

She could be a force in the future, if she hasn't ruined her stock already (which is a very real possibility).

she was a gimmick, at least partly. you can't honestly tell me she was the most qualified and competent candidate they could find (IMO Romney would've been a better choice with his economic expertise). The fact that she's an attractive woman with strong christian/family values definitely played a big part in it. Which is why that's all she talked about.

[jdu00743]

pencilpusher, on Dec 17 2008, 02:41 PM, said:

Seriously, list what makes her laudable to you. What did she stand for?

Good Christian and family values. I never said I liked her as a politican, I disagree with her on a lot of stuff. I like her as a person.

[JDaveG]

XLDenali, on Dec 17 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

she was a gimmick, at least partly. you can't honestly tell me she was the most qualified and competent candidate they could find (IMO Romney would've been a better choice with his economic expertise). The fact that she's an attractive woman with strong christian/family values definitely played a big part in it. Which is why that's all she talked about.

Did I say she was qualified or competent?

And Romney would have been a disaster. He had dug his heels in disagreeing with McCain, and he is a slickster, which is not what McCain needed at the time.

[snake]

ransack, on Dec 17 2008, 07:19 PM, said:

Palin failed because she wasn't ready for the spotlight. There's really no other reason.

It was John McCains campaign and the Man himself that failed. It was McCains record of not being a conservative that failed. Sara was the Lone bright spot in his entire campaign. When she came aboard the enthusiasm went thru the roof.

[XLDenali]

JDaveG, on Dec 17 2008, 07:54 PM, said:

Did I say she was qualified or competent?

And Romney would have been a disaster. He had dug his heels in disagreeing with McCain, and he is a slickster, which is not what McCain needed at the time.

sorry, didn't follow the GOP primaries too closely. in what ways were mccain and romney butting heads? i agree he's a slickster who appears to be made of some sort of plastic. but what he did for Massachusetts with their budget and healthcare could have been spun into a message Americans wanted to hear A LOT more than kitschy, cute "hockey mom" stuff. just seems like the GOP misread the country's mood completely.

[JDaveG]

XLDenali, on Dec 17 2008, 03:03 PM, said:

sorry, didn't follow the GOP primaries too closely. in what ways were mccain and romney butting heads? i agree he's a slickster who appears to be made of some sort of plastic. but what he did for Massachusetts with their budget and healthcare could have been spun into a message Americans wanted to hear A LOT more than kitschy, cute "hockey mom" stuff. just seems like the GOP misread the country's mood completely.

Oh, they made the Clinton/Obama stuff look tame. It was pretty sad to watch.

The funny thing is that Romney was basically accusing McCain of being a liberal, when until he decided to run for President, Romney was as liberal as it gets.

[snake]

JDaveG, on Dec 17 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

Oh, they made the Clinton/Obama stuff look tame. It was pretty sad to watch.

The funny thing is that Romney was basically accusing McCain of being a liberal, when until he decided to run for President, Romney was as liberal as it gets.

Jdave, how the heck r ya, 1st? 2nd, wouldn't u agree that McCain doomed himself and Palin actually stirred life into his campaign?

[JDaveG]

snake, on Dec 17 2008, 03:15 PM, said:

Jdave, how the heck r ya, 1st? 2nd, wouldn't u agree that McCain doomed himself and Palin actually stirred life into his campaign?

Doing well, and I hope you are too.

Yes and no. Yes, McCain doomed himself, and yes, Palin initially stirred life into his campaign.

But Palin was definitely unqualifed and overmatched. Once that was apparent, any shine she had wore off.

Doesn't excuse the irrational hatred of her from the left, but their attacks don't excuse ignoring reality either. Next cycle, she may have been a good pick. In this cycle, she was a lot more flash than substance, and that didn't help McCain, not that he was helping himself in the 1st place.

[VincentVanBro]

Palin failed to me because she never really exhibited that she was smart or knowledgeable enough to be president. Her educational history consists of a bachelors in sports journalism (transferring around from 6 no name schools), she didn't show any intelligence in interviews, and when she debated she simply talked off a script.

I don't care how charismatic she was or wasn't. I can't simply assume someone is fit to lead without them showing me. If she was a man with only average speaking skills she would have never impressed anyone.

[JDaveG]

lax32, on Dec 17 2008, 03:30 PM, said:

Palin failed to me because she never really exhibited that she was smart or knowledgeable enough to be president. Her educational history consists of a bachelors in sports journalism (transferring around from 6 no name schools), she didn't show any intelligence in interviews, and when she debated she simply talked off a script.

I don't care how charismatic she was or wasn't. I can't simply assume someone is fit to lead without them showing me. If she was a man with only average speaking skills she would have never impressed anyone.

I think that's fair. I don't think she's stupid, but she certainly is not prepared to be President (not many of us are).

[michael nagra]

L.Rover, on Dec 17 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

I have a good female friend who said it was appalling to think that Sarah Palin might represent women in the White House.

I feel the same way about Hillary, so to each his (or her) own.

It would be the same as Tupac running for presedent, yes he's black, yes he has a political view, would I vote for him, **** NO! if he we're alive. It's not about Sarah Palin being a woman that I wouldn't vote for her party in the election, it's about her politcaly being the wrong cantidate, Barack Obama was the right black man to break the color barrier in the white-house. It's not about skin tone, or gender it's about the core issues of the election, and Palin contiualy showed that she wasn't fit for the position she was trying to win. The same thing happened in sports with Ray Bellamy he was the 2nd most talented WR on his high-school team, but Miami picked him to break the color barrier in the SEC, because the way he conducted himself and his character. The same goes for Barack Osama Obama, he's the right cantidate for the presedency, people voted for him because he is black yes, ignorance is everywhere, but if you want to cross the gender lines, you need to have the right person to do it, and Hillary Clinton, and Sarah Palin were not the right people.

[the evil emperor]

I thought she was a nice person, but woefully unqualified to be President.

[Swami57]

snake, on Dec 17 2008, 06:34 PM, said:

Give me an example of her being an insult to women. Facts here, swami.... No BS. And for the record. She hasnt failed in much of anything in life. Fact is shes' a winner, and has proven her toughness over and over. Sorry u miss that. Hate to see who u admire.

Facts? Did you see the Katie Couric interview?? That wasn't just insulting to women, I think that pretty much insulted homo-sapiens in general. Did you hear her talking to the 3rd graders where she didn't understand the duties of the VP? I think it's pretty obvious she didn't get where she is today based on her intellect.

[snake]

Swami57, on Dec 17 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

Facts? Did you see the Katie Couric interview?? That wasn't just insulting to women, I think that pretty much insulted homo-sapiens in general. Did you hear her talking to the 3rd graders where she didn't understand the duties of the VP? I think it's pretty obvious she didn't get where she is today based on her intellect.

Katie couric interview? Wow. That makes her an INSULT to women? An explanation to 3rd graders, that makes her an insult to women? Go home and thank your mom for your lunch money today, cause with that kind of logic your in trouble.