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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:31 PM

Given my limited time, and the up in the air status of the collective bargaining agreement (and as a result free agency), I really have not studied the free agents this year like I would have liked to at this point, but there are a couple that I think are interesting. Not that we would sign any of these, but I think they are worth a look.

Carlos Rodgers, CB, Redskins, is having a pretty good in Washington. He's not getting a large number of picks, but he's forcing teams to throw at DeAngelo Hall. He's not happy with the ownership in Washington, and has started speaking out, which is not going to make Snyder happy. I think he'd be a good fit here in Atlanta. He's a big corner (well, 6'0" anyway), unlike what we have now, and JMO, that's what I think we need, especially with the big physical WR's in the NFL South.

Cedrick Griffin, CB, Vikings. The Vikings have 5 potential FA CB's, and there is no way they resign all 5 of them. Griffin is probably the one they would have #1 on their wishlist to bring back, but since we're dreaming here, I'll add him to my list of interesting FA's. Karl Paymah would be my 2nd choice off of the Vikes secondary. *edit* Griffin not going to be a FA.

Chris Gocong, OLB, Eagles, is also having a good year. I like our starters at LB. I'd still be interested in taking a peek at Gocong, although I doubt we'd be able to sign him. He would most likely play where Peterson is, and I'm not sure we're ready to replace him, but this would be a chance to get younger with a solid LB. Interesting, but not probable.

There are others out there as well, maybe a Kyle Boller/Brodie Croyle to bring in as the vet backup QB if we don't resign Redman. They could probably be had cheaply.

As for our FA's, I think we will resign Jenkins & Norwood, but both to low amount, short-term contracts. Jenkins is a very good blocking receiver and will become our Finneran, as I believe this is finally his last year here (hate to see my buddy go though). We should tender Snelling. Redman, 50/50, but if he's back, I think it's as the #3 guy this time. Grimes, amazing pick against New Orleans last night, but no tender IMO, unless you start showing more in games like you do in practice (the pick last night was a start).

Anyway, enough with the FA, on to the draft.

1st - Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh, DE *junior* - This really all depends on where we are picking in the draft. If we're somewhere in the low 20's, I think Ramous would be a great fit for us. He's an athletic DE, who was a former basketball player that didn't start playing football until his senior year of HS. He's gained 40 pounds in his 3 years at Pitt and instead of losing speed with the weight gain, he's actually gained burst & quickness off the line. He could very easily add another 10 pounds and still probably have very little effect. The negative here is his lack of experience. He's made great strides, improved every season, but he's still a little raw and would need to backup for a season before being ready to start IMO.

3rd - Brian Jackson, Oklahoma, CB - A bigger CB at 6'1 200 pounds. Jackson has been a riser this season with his solid play. He has good size and like I've said before, we need bigger, more physical CB's who can play with the WR's of the NFC South. I think Jackson will become a very good NFL CB, but will not become elite because of his average speed. He's not a burner, at about 4.5/40 but he's good enough at the line to keep receivers off balance and negate speed advantages that they may have.

4th - Vladimir Ducasse, UMASS, OG - A mammoth player at 6'5, 330 lbs. Vladimir moved to the US from Haiti in highschool, having never played football, only soccer. For a big man, he has extremely good footwork due to his soccer background. Ducasse dominates the OL and sustains blocks throughout the play. He's also able to get to the second level and engage defenders. Ducasse is also a very smart kid, who once he decided in highschool he wanted to play, lived in the film room watching and learning from film. Very Matt Ryan-esque in the way he studies film. Has been scouted several times personally by Scott Pioli in the last year.

5th - Adam Ulatoski, Texas, OT/RT - I love the way the right side of our OL plays, but I think from a skill set, they could both be upgraded. I think Ducasse & Ulatoksi are 2 players we can do that with. Clabo would make a valuable backup, being able to play almost anywhere on the OL & Dahl could backup both OG spots. Ulatski has been a LT at Texas, but I think will be better suited to RT in the NFL.

6th - Riley Cooper, Florida, WR - Ugh, can't believe I'm putting this one in. First it's a gaytor, Second it's a gaytor WR & we all know how they do in the NFL. That said, I think we need a more physical WR in the passing game. Cooper is physical, he's got good hands, and I think he would be an excellent replacement for Finneran this coming year & he would move up the depth charts to #3 & take Jenkins' spot there by the end of the season (assuming HD comes all the way back & takes the #2 spot).

UDFA - Pat Simonds, Colgate, TE - This guy probably won't be drafted, but the guy has great size/speed combo and would make for mismatches similar to what Gonzalez does for us now. Simonds is a WR in college, but at 6'6" and 222 lbs, I can see him becoming a TE in the NFL and might as well let him learn from the best in TG for a year or two.

So, let me know how much this sucks.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:48 PM

Not bad...even with the Gaytor... :lol: At least he didn't try to blind anybody. :angry:

If TD picks up Carlos Rogers, I think it would be a very solid draft. But I will not be suprised to see him trade out of the 1st to get an early to mid 2nd and 3rd round pick.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 04:45 PM

FYI Griffin got an extension from the Vikings a while back. 5 years, I'm not sure how much money in total. But he has been locked up.

I really don't like Romeus to be honest. As a RE he might not be all bad but he does not play the run well (or at least he didn't when I watched him. I haven't watched him since I watched him against Buffalo but he was getting blocked by a TE with little issue. It was pretty pathetic). Obviously he has turned it on since then, but that makes me question his motor/motivation to be honest.

And as much as I like Everson Griffen and think that he is worth developing, do we really want to go after another DE who is extremely raw at the position like JA98 was and like Romeus is? The dividends can be big, but I think we could use a more reliable guy at this point. I really don't think Romeus is that guy for us.

I like the rest of the draft though. We could use a big physical corner, and Ducasse sounds like an awesome mid round OG prospect. Ulatoski I am not high on but in the 5th round he is worth a pickup. My question with that is do we pick up Ulatoski in the 5th assuming he will develop into a starter when we picked Reynolds in the 6th last year? I don't think Reynolds is the answer at RT by any means, but in that same light why would a player drafted in the 5th like Ulatoski be expected to be the future at the position? Just something to think about.

And I don't disagree with you about Cooper. He reminds me some of Finneran, and he is a pretty reliable target for Tebow and has come up with some big catches for the Gators this year, similar to what Finneran has done in his career for us.

Overall not a bad draft. I don't like Romeus so that kind of taints it, but overall it was good.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 05:20 PM

View PostNFL Draft Fan 07, on 03 November 2009 - 05:45 PM, said:

FYI Griffin got an extension from the Vikings a while back. 5 years, I'm not sure how much money in total. But he has been locked up.

I really don't like Romeus to be honest. As a RE he might not be all bad but he does not play the run well (or at least he didn't when I watched him. I haven't watched him since I watched him against Buffalo but he was getting blocked by a TE with little issue. It was pretty pathetic). Obviously he has turned it on since then, but that makes me question his motor/motivation to be honest.

And as much as I like Everson Griffen and think that he is worth developing, do we really want to go after another DE who is extremely raw at the position like JA98 was and like Romeus is? The dividends can be big, but I think we could use a more reliable guy at this point. I really don't think Romeus is that guy for us.

I like the rest of the draft though. We could use a big physical corner, and Ducasse sounds like an awesome mid round OG prospect. Ulatoski I am not high on but in the 5th round he is worth a pickup. My question with that is do we pick up Ulatoski in the 5th assuming he will develop into a starter when we picked Reynolds in the 6th last year? I don't think Reynolds is the answer at RT by any means, but in that same light why would a player drafted in the 5th like Ulatoski be expected to be the future at the position? Just something to think about.

And I don't disagree with you about Cooper. He reminds me some of Finneran, and he is a pretty reliable target for Tebow and has come up with some big catches for the Gators this year, similar to what Finneran has done in his career for us.

Overall not a bad draft. I don't like Romeus so that kind of taints it, but overall it was good.
Thanks for the info on Griffin, really didn't think the Vikes would let him get away. Rodgers I think is more obtainable for us than Griffin would have been if both were on the market anyway.

The question regarding the development of another DE is valid and hard to overcome. I'm really not liking where I think we're going to be drafting, so that's going to make things tougher on who we take. I think if we're going DE, which isn't a given, then the reliable ones worth a 1st round pick will be gone. The potential guys are who we'll have to pick from. I like Romeus' improvement from year to year, which is really unlike JA98. JA98 went from nothing to boom 13.5 sacks in his coming out year. Romeus on the other hand hasn't had the superior season numbers wise, but he's been a steady improver and is playing really well. So I think there is some difference there. Personally, it would probably be best for him to stay his senior year, but injury risk vs. money in the hand will probably make him decide to declare.

As for Ulatoski, I kinda like him. I don't think he'll be a starting LT in the NFL, and I think that will hurt his stock and why he slides some. I don't know if we can get him in the 5th, but should take a look if he's there. Maybe he doesn't become the starting RT, Clabo is playing ok out there & Reynolds is backing him up. I think Ulatoski could be a better backup at LT than Svitek.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 05:33 PM

The more I have watched us play the more frustrated I have become with our inability to give Ryan the appropriate amount of time to pass, especially on play action. I think that has started to convert me over to the idea of grabbing a stud RT in the 1st this year. Originally I was hoping we could put that off one more year, fill out the defense and what not, but I really don't think we can wait on it that long anymore. I think Trent Williams will probably be available when we pick and he would be my first choice right now. He is a stud RT and is very good in the run game and is a good pass blocker except when facing good speed rushers. He wouldn't face that as much at RT, and even still he would be an upgrade over Clabo in that department. If we upgraded him and moved Clabo inside to depth at OG or a starting spot at RG then I think our offensive line would be better off for it. Not to mention if Baker were to get hurt Williams could move over to LT in a pinch but would need some help against guys like Jared Allen or other good speed rushers (Will Smith for instance). I think having a RT who can slide over to LT in a pinch is pretty crucial, and I think Williams has that ability and I like him at RT and LT much more than I like Ulatoski at either spot.

And you have a good point about Romeus' consistent improvement. Even if Griffen is available (he is one of the guys I am high on in this class if he should declare) he had a very down season last year after a good freshman season but has again turned it on. Derrick Morgan is a safer pick in my estimation even if he has slowed down his production. That, in my opinion, is largely due to him regularly facing double teams and on occasion triple teams. But they all have question marks, I just think that Romeus' has more serious ones than Morgan and Griffen do. That probably means they will be off the board before we have a shot at picking them unless we make an unexpected run in the playoffs. Top 20 is where I see both of those guys going.
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:44 PM

****we gave jenkins a contract extension in the offseason i think it was like 5 years 25mil***
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