[Lord Dark Helmet]

Are they mental? If the "institution of marriage" is 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, I don't see what they want protected.

Let the gays marry. Straight people sure have not done anything with it except divorce and hate.

[Statick]

I see this as a clash of the usage of terminology.

Gay relationships should be allowed to have the same legal benefits as a regular married couple. If gays would just be content with calling their relationships "civil unions" instead of marriages then straight opponents wouldn't be so opposed to them.

[eatcorn]

Statick, on 04 November 2009 - 08:20 PM, said:

I see this as a clash of the usage of terminology.

Gay relationships should be allowed to have the same legal benefits as a regular married couple. If gays would just be content with calling their relationships "civil unions" instead of marriages then straight opponents wouldn't be so opposed to them.

I think they would be willing. No one is offering that.

[Ryan too White]

"Marriage" is the domain of the church. "Civil Unions" are the domain of the state.

I support the right of churches to marry whoever they want, just as I support the rights of gay couples who wish to be afforded the same treatment under the law as straight couples.

[edZep]

Let 'em get married !

It'll keep 'em off the streets.

[Statick]

edZep, on 04 November 2009 - 08:29 PM, said:

Let 'em get married !

It'll keep 'em off the streets.

Are you kidding? They're bigger cheaters than straight couples.

j/k

[Brehus]

Lord Dark Helmet, on 04 November 2009 - 02:06 PM, said:

Are they mental? If the "institution of marriage" is 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, I don't see what they want protected.

Let the gays marry. Straight people sure have not done anything with it except divorce and hate.

I do admit getting divorced and remarried is a sin and Christians do it all the time

[Ryan too White]

Brehus, on 04 November 2009 - 08:16 PM, said:

I do admit getting divorced and remarried is a sin and Christians do it all the time

Thats modern Christianity for you, though. Worship a homeless guy on Sunday, spend the rest of the week ignoring them. Build a megachurch with a food court, ATMs, and stadium seating, so that 20,000 people can hear about a camel going through the eye of a needle.

[Enlightened29]

Ryan too White, on 04 November 2009 - 08:21 PM, said:

Thats modern Christianity for you, though. Worship a homeless guy on Sunday, spend the rest of the week ignoring them. Build a megachurch with a food court, ATMs, and stadium seating, so that 20,000 people can hear about a camel going through the eye of a needle.

Wow, you really dont get Christianity at all. If you want to see true Christianity you need to hed to Carrollton, Georgia and check out Mt. Holly on Hwy 27. Thats a church that is what every church should be. Dedicated, loving people that truly love Christ.

How do you get that Christians worship a homeless guy? Then you say that 20,000 people come to hear about the camel going through the eye of a needle. I guess that means that preacher cant get enough of that one scripture. Either that, or you dont know any more. The message from the pulpit is about Jesus Christ and how he died for our sins. The only way to heaven is accepting him as savior of your life. The camel going through the eye of a needle represents how hard it is to get to heaven.

[Enlightened29]

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7 the LORD God formed the man [e] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin [f] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. [g] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam [h] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [i] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,
"This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman, [k] '
for she was taken out of man."

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

God made man and woman so that they would be husband and wife. Not husband and husband, not wife and wife.

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[Ryan too White]

Enlightened29, on 04 November 2009 - 08:29 PM, said:

Wow, you really dont get Christianity at all. If you want to see true Christianity you need to hed to Carrollton, Georgia and check out Mt. Holly on Hwy 27. Thats a church that is what every church should be. Dedicated, loving people that truly love Christ.

How do you get that Christians worship a homeless guy? Then you say that 20,000 people come to hear about the camel going through the eye of a needle. I guess that means that preacher cant get enough of that one scripture. Either that, or you dont know any more. The message from the pulpit is about Jesus Christ and how he died for our sins. The only way to heaven is accepting him as savior of your life. The camel going through the eye of a needle represents how hard it is to get to heaven.

I'm sure your church is awesome. But, how do you feel about people like Warren Jeffs (James?), T.D. Jakes, Creflo Dollar, etc. who have turned their pulpits into enterprises?

I would say that Jesus was homeless. Most itinerant travelers are. As for the "eye of the needle reference", I am mocking the fact that these opulent palaces of worship (including ATMs - moneychangers anyone?) are quite the hypocritical place to deliver the message of "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of god".

[Enlightened29]

Ryan too White, on 04 November 2009 - 08:39 PM, said:

I'm sure your church is awesome. But, how do you feel about people like Warren Jeffs (James?), T.D. Jakes, Creflo Dollar, etc. who have turned their pulpits into enterprises?

I would say that Jesus was homeless. Most itinerant travelers are. As for the "eye of the needle reference", I am mocking the fact that these opulent palaces of worship (including ATMs - moneychangers anyone?) are quite the hypocritical place to deliver the message of "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of god".

Well I understand you arguments, however. I have no problem with T.D. Jakes or people like Joel Olsteen, they are just trying to get their message out to as many people as they can. We have a sanctuary at our church that holds 1400 people. Does that make it a bad church? The minister wants as many ears to hear the message as possible. It is our job to spread the gospel. How is having a broader audience a bad thing?

Now I will agree about the ATMs, that is weird. :blink:

This post has been edited by Enlightened29: 04 November 2009 - 08:44 PM

[VincentVanBro]

Enlightened29, on 04 November 2009 - 08:35 PM, said:

God made man and woman so that they would be husband and wife. Not husband and husband, not wife and wife.

I'm not even going to go into the biblical accuracy of that statement, but let me ask you a question.

Are you against two Hindu people getting married? By getting married and then claiming that it's ordained by someone who you believe is a false god (in the process breaking SEVERAL commandments), biblically speaking that's a pretty huge sin. How is that any different from gay people?

[Ryan too White]

Enlightened29, on 04 November 2009 - 08:44 PM, said:

Well I understand you arguments, however. I have no problem with T.D. Jakes or people like Joel Olsteen, they are just trying to get their message out to as many people as they can. We have a sanctuary at our church that holds 1400 people. Does that make it a bad church? The minister wants as many ears to hear the message as possible. It is our job to spread the gospel. How is having a broader audience a bad thing?

Now I will agree about the ATMs, that is weird. :blink:

Here, this is the church I'm talking about, with the ATMs and the food court: http://www.firstdallas.org/

I understand that a central tenet of Christianity is to go forth and spread the word. Where I take issue is that this noble endeavor of proselytizing the masses often has the side effect of greatly enhancing the wealth of the preacher. Creflo Dollar, our own Eddie Long. People like this are exploiting the faith of thousands of people.

Between that, and the countless examples of Americans (some I know) cherry-picking which parts of the Bible they follow, and which they don't, I perceive alot of hypocrisy in modern Christianity. I think that ( and we were arguing this in the other thread ) that people are far too happy to go to church on Sundays, and ignore the teachings they get the rest of the week.

[Enlightened29]

Ryan too White, on 04 November 2009 - 08:56 PM, said:

Here, this is the church I'm talking about, with the ATMs and the food court: http://www.firstdallas.org/

I understand that a central tenet of Christianity is to go forth and spread the word. Where I take issue is that this noble endeavor of proselytizing the masses often has the side effect of greatly enhancing the wealth of the preacher. Creflo Dollar, our own Eddie Long. People like this are exploiting the faith of thousands of people.

Between that, and the countless examples of Americans (some I know) cherry-picking which parts of the Bible they follow, and which they don't, I perceive alot of hypocrisy in modern Christianity. I think that ( and we were arguing this in the other thread ) that people are far too happy to go to church on Sundays, and ignore the teachings they get the rest of the week.

I agree with you to an extent, there are still good Christians out there. Heck, Christian mean "Christ Like". So its not hard to spot the ones that are "real".

[Knight of God]

:mellow:

[Enlightened29]

VincentVanBro, on 04 November 2009 - 08:54 PM, said:

I'm not even going to go into the biblical accuracy of that statement, but let me ask you a question.

Are you against two Hindu people getting married? By getting married and then claiming that it's ordained by someone who you believe is a false god (in the process breaking SEVERAL commandments), biblically speaking that's a pretty huge sin. How is that any different from gay people?

Two Hindu people getting married isnt an abomination against God. God doesnt account how many sins you commit into one huge one. The only problem he would have in the case of the two Hindu people is that they would go to **** when they died for not accepting his son's sacrifice. Their marriage wouldnt be a sin in itself.

[VincentVanBro]

Enlightened29, on 04 November 2009 - 09:30 PM, said:

Two Hindu people getting married isnt an abomination against God. God doesnt account how many sins you commit into one huge one. The only problem he would have in the case of the two Hindu people is that they would go to **** when they died for not accepting his son's sacrifice. Their marriage wouldnt be a sin in itself.

So God hates the idea of two men getting married, but it doesn't bother him that two people are saying that they are married and that their marriage is ordained by a false god?

[rvrndzombii]

Enlightened29, on 04 November 2009 - 09:30 PM, said:

Two Hindu people getting married isnt an abomination against God. God doesnt account how many sins you commit into one huge one. The only problem he would have in the case of the two Hindu people is that they would go to **** when they died for not accepting his son's sacrifice. Their marriage wouldnt be a sin in itself.

perhaps its bigger than we can comprehend at this time and we can each only do what we think is right... and love and accept those around us....

[BTL FED]

Enlightened29, on 04 November 2009 - 09:30 PM, said:

Two Hindu people getting married isnt an abomination against God. God doesnt account how many sins you commit into one huge one. The only problem he would have in the case of the two Hindu people is that they would go to **** when they died for not accepting his son's sacrifice. Their marriage wouldnt be a sin in itself.

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